Fähigere Admins plx -.-

Zar · Beitrag von **Zar** » Fr, 13. Jul 2007, 10:37

» Support ID: 42625
» Nickname: Zar[ShAngO]
» Admin: ToTeR[LNI]
» Date: 13.07.07 11:35
» Topic: Ranged Basher 15% Exploit
» Question:
In this game the Troll Warlord (DotA.Shimbo) used two bashers with 15% bash in ranged mode. I believe this is bug using and should be punished. The Sentinel also won because of this.
He builds the first basher at around 29 min and the second at 34 min. At around 45 min you can clearly see him using this in ranged mode in a hero fight and he continues to do it the rest of the game.

Match ID is 323766.
Replay and screenshot are added.

» User: ToTeR[LNI]
» Date: 12.07.07 21:20
» Answer:
Dear Zar[ShAngO],

LooL what do u mean thats no exploit he maybe was very lucky atleast I never heard of this bug.If u can explain it to me it would be nice.

Best regards,
ToTeR[LNI], DotA-league.com Admin

» User: Zar[ShAngO]
» Date: 12.07.07 23:49
» Answer:
Explanation:
When you build or pick up a Basher with a ranged hero, it has 10% Bash.
When you build or pick up a Basher with a melee hero, it has 15% Bash.
This was made to not make the basher on ranged heros to powerful.

The exploit in this case is with the Troll Warlord:
he can go in melee form, pick up the basher which gets transformed to a 15% basher, then he can simply switch to ranged form and the basher will still be a 15% basher.
This is considered bug using in #dotapickup.euro by the way, that`s why I reported it in the first place.
And according to rule 4.1: Bug using may result in a Default loss.

Best regards,
Zar[ShAngO]

» User: ToTeR[LNI]
» Date: 13.07.07 10:57
» Answer:
Dear Zar[ShAngO],

Well yes bug using may result in a Default loss but defaults* are used only on Ladder or Pickleague.And this is a SIG game.

Best regards,
ToTeR[LNI], DotA-league.com Admin

» User: Zar[ShAngO]
» Date: 13.07.07 11:35
» Answer:
Why is this rule listed under the S.I.G. rules then?
If it doesn`t apply to S.I.G. games, remove it from the S.I.G. rules section.

Zar[ShAngO]

Zar · Beitrag von **Zar** » Fr, 13. Jul 2007, 11:35

» User: ToTeR[LNI]
» Date: 13.07.07 11:40
» Answer:
Dear Zar[ShAngO],

I`m not talking about the bash ... I`m talking about the default ... and even this way how can u prove it there`s no spell efect when he turns meele.

Best regards,
ToTeR[LNI], DotA-league.com Admin

» User: Zar[ShAngO]
» Date: 13.07.07 12:37
» Answer:
I was talking about the default loss as well. This rule is listed under S.I.G. rules so it should apply to SIGs. If it doesn`t apply to SIGs, then why is it there anyway?
And the prove is that if you watch the replay - which I attached with the match ID - you can clearly see that he uses the bashers with 15% bash in ranged mode at around 45 minutes into the game... I also attached a screenshot where you can see a shot (the lifeleech boomerang thingy) coming from the Troll with the mouse hovered over the Basher and the tooltip displayed.

I`m sorry to bother you with this but as I said: the Basher `exploit` is considered bug using in #dotapickup so I thought this would apply in dota-league.com as well.

Cheers,
Zar[ShAngO]

Oh mann...

Zar · Beitrag von **Zar** » Fr, 13. Jul 2007, 12:05

» User: ToTeR[LNI]
» Date: 13.07.07 12:42
» Answer: Dear Zar[ShAngO],

It`s no problem I understand that but didnt have problems related to this.Well thats really unconvinceble that screen but anywayz I will think about it and search for this bug exploit.

Best regards,
ToTeR[LNI], DotA-league.com Admin

Er denkt darüber nach - na dann...

Zar · Beitrag von **Zar** » Fr, 13. Jul 2007, 13:26

» User: Zar[ShAngO]
» Date: 13.07.07 13:39
» Answer:
I`ve found two threads regarding this topic:
On dotapickup.com they say it`s definately not allowed (which I stated before):
http://www.dotapickup.com/forums/viewto ... oll+basher

On dota-allstars.com on the other hand they say it`s not a bug but a little known feature, which is hardly imba (imho it is, but whatever)
http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.p ... ll++basher

You need to have an account there in order to read these threads, sorry for that.

My final question is now:
Is this allowed in dota-league or not? So if I ever do this and someone wants to report me I can refer to this Support if need be.

Cheers,
Zar[ShAngO]

» User: ToTeR[LNI]
» Date: 13.07.07 13:44
» Answer: Dear Zar[ShAngO],

Well I dont have accounts on this site`s but I also say that bugs exploit is not aloud but no1 knows or can prove it soo i gues u can use it witout anyone to know and spam the support function again.

Best regards,
ToTeR[LNI], DotA-league.com Admin

"No one knows or can prove it..." Nöö gar nich! Replays 4tw?
Kein Bock mehr mich mit dem zu Unterhalten. Die sollten mal ne Alterbegrenzung oder nen Intelligenztest für Admins einführen... >_<

Sneedy · Beitrag von **Sneedy** » Fr, 13. Jul 2007, 13:54

welcher admin macht sich denn die mühe da 10 mio replays durchzuschauen?

Zar · Beitrag von **Zar** » Fr, 13. Jul 2007, 14:14

ka wohl keiner - aber beim screenshot kann man das eigentlich auch erkennen, dass der troll da mit dem basher rumschiesst...

wenn man schon admin ist, sollte man seinen job auch richtig machen.

Beitrag von **GMJ** » Sa, 14. Jul 2007, 03:14

manchmal schauen sie sich sogar die replays an

Die meisten Admins neigen dazu dw3gparser zu nutzen und denken sie sehen da alles.
Hatte mir das Replay ja auch angeschaut und nicht mal nach Achims "Hinweis" auf Exploit hat er irgendwas an den Bashern geändert.

Sneedy · Beitrag von **Sneedy** » Di, 17. Jul 2007, 09:34

achja, hier noch was zum THema fähige admins:

<Sneedy|ShAngO> Hi, i have a question about SIG
<Sneedy|ShAngO> I'm a new user, i waited 2 weeks after creating my account, but i'm not activated for SIG games now. Did i anything wrong?
<BjoerN-_-> nope we have endless requests
<Sneedy|ShAngO> is it possible to be activated today?
<BjoerN-_-> i dont know
<Sneedy|ShAngO> k, thx ;(

Krunx · Beitrag von **Krunx** » Di, 17. Jul 2007, 12:31

naja, du warst vermutlich der 1341 der ihn heute gefragt hat *G*

Sneedy · Beitrag von **Sneedy** » Do, 19. Jul 2007, 12:57

yeahyeah

<Obs|Sneedy> hi, i have a question about my SIG-activation. i registered my account 20 days ago and applied after 14 days. but there is no activation till now. what did i wrong?
<nexxus`off> nothing, it can take some tim
<nexxus`off> e
<nexxus`off> your account id or name?
<Obs|Sneedy> Sneedy
<Obs|Sneedy> ID: 75492
<DL|neXXus> ok you can play
<Obs|Sneedy> thx!!!

Hurricane · Beitrag von **Hurricane** » Do, 19. Jul 2007, 13:02

gratz

Zar · Beitrag von **Zar** » Do, 19. Jul 2007, 14:45

gratz!

hellusw · Beitrag von **hellusw** » Do, 19. Jul 2007, 18:41

ging eh schnell ^^

Beitrag von **GMJ** » Fr, 20. Jul 2007, 14:37

As you might or might not know, we are recruiting
two new administrators and your application showed potential. That is also the reason why I am writing to you now, to inquire whether or not you are still interested in the position and to ask a couple of questions to see whether or not you are the right person for the job[...]You have until the 28th of July to respond to this message with answers to all the questions. [...]New administrators will be placed in admin team no. 3, which is supervised by yours truly. Thank you for your interest.

Zar · Beitrag von **Zar** » Fr, 20. Jul 2007, 15:14

Gratz!